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By: Matt Campbell's Blog » Blog Archive » Thoughts on Snoracle and Why I like JBoss

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:48:40 +0000

[...] good summary of how to digest the whole “Oracle-buying-Sun-thing”. The first is from Rich Sharples of Redhat on his personal blog. The second is from Mark Little, also of [...]

By: sharps

sharps — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:10:42 +0000

@Mitch indeed – and remember 2-3 years ago – Schwartz announced that Oracle we’re moving to Net Beans only to be followed by by an Oracle press release stating that Oracle had no intention of moving to Net Beans. Pure comedy.

- Rich

By: Mitch Mocle

Mitch Mocle — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:24 +0000

Got to agree with Rich on Netbeans. It’s dead. Oracle has already stated on many occasions that JDeveloper is their strategic IDE. When they acquired BEA, their workshop IDE was the first thing to go. They threw bits and pieces of it into their give away Eclipse pack, but the product died quickly and violently.
True, Workshop never enjoyed a community like Netbeans has, but that won’t save it.

By: Dominique De Vito

Dominique De Vito — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:46:12 +0000

* NetBeans : IMHO, NetBeans is still going to flourish while existing community is big enough while JDeveloper mindshare is very little.
I imagine JDeveloper+NetBeans to merge (all IDEs are Swing-based), while NetBeans being the company-neutral stub and JDeveloper being proposed as NetBeans+Oracle stuff (like Oracle ADF – Oracle Application Development Framework).

* OpenOffice : Oracle may still let live OpenOffice to fight indirectly Microsoft.
But the Oracle business view may bring the opportunity to start a OpenOffice foundation to share development costs.

* Glassfish : Larry may be keen to keep Glassfish for the following reasons
- Oracle may keep Glassfish to fight RedHat/JBoss.
- as part of the JEE JSR expert group, Oracle still have to release a RI.
- Glassfish v3 is going to be modular,
- WebLogic and Glassfish already share some parts, like WS stack

And beyond that…

If one want to do propective, one has to take into account expected SUN released during that period, because those releases are going to impact Oracle decisions. I expect the following releases during the next months:
- NetBeans 6.7
- Glassfish v3
- JWebPane
- SSD disk (to be used jointly with Oracle database)
- OpenOffice 3.1 et 3.2

The coming period (until the end of 2009, little will change inside SUN) may give time to Oracle to see :
(1) they have an open source Java software stack that could compete with RedHat
(2) with the ex-SUN hardware, they can position themselves more than RedHat, and close to Apple (mastering both the soft/hardware stacks, on the server-side), so Oracle could compete with IBM
(3) the long awaited JWebPane could give a boost to Java on client-side, mixing Java+HTML strengths, so Oracle may want to fight Adobe
(4) OpenOffice could be leveraged by Larry in order to fight Microsoft business incomes, Microsoft being one oldest Oracle ennemy.

So, each way could give new fight (good for Larry ego) and/or new business opportunity.