In many cases we have chosen to be transparent even though we know the information can be used by our competitors; for example detailed roadmaps, detailed feature sets, geomap data, etc. In other cases we have decided to keep some information private (or more accurately, we have not decided to make it public).

Regarding raw d/l data, note that most of these downloads are d/ls of “Sun GlassFish Enterprise Server” distribution from Sun.Com, not the “GlassFish Server” distribution from Java.Net. These two distributions essentially the same binary, except for the name and a couple of small changes, but I think the Sun distro d/l numbers should be interpreted as Sun data, not community data, and at this point we are disclosing the aggregate but not all the raw data. I will bring up internally the topic of making public the raw Java.Net d/l numbers.

Regarding other distro’s of our AppServers, I agree they exist and are hard to count, but if you have any way to estimate their size, I’d be interested. GlassFish is in other distributions too but our belief is that most people just go get the latest version from our sites. That may be different in your case, don’t know, but part of why I started publicizing the GF numbers and I included the JBoss AS numbers from SourceForge is because I had found everybody was very surprised when we pointed out how many d/ls we had.

BTW, I need to update my charts for a customer visit on Friday, so I’ll post them at my blog and will add a pointer to it here.

– eduard/o

A big chunk of JBoss’ distribution is completely opaque to us – a lot of the technology like AS, Cache, Hibernate, Groups are embedded in other popular OSS projects and products.

I don’t think a direct comparison is really possible and wasn’t attempting to do that – the trends are more important to me.

- Rich

I am trying to make a fair comparison. I only used the SourceForge data for JBoss because that is all I had access to, but, as I previously mentioned to you, I am ready to add any other numbers that you think are applicable to the JBoss total. Fair comparisons are difficult with partial data; for example, we are counting only “completed” d/ls – I’ve not been able to find out whether SourceForge uses that same metric or “initiated” d/ls, and, if the latter what is their completion rate, which, in our experience, varies very substantially based on client locale, file size, and serving infrastructure.

– eduard/o

As you know, your stats include packages of Netbeans+Glassfish as well as Java SE+Glassfish (and possibly other form of packaging). Our stats above only list the standalone download.

Cheers,

sacha

* http://blogs.sun.com/pelegri/entry/download_trends_for_glassfish
* http://blogs.sun.com/pelegri/entry/more_download_statistics_for_glassfish
* http://blogs.sun.com/pelegri/entry/glassfish_download_stats_sept_2008

I’ll do an update this week or next week. I don’t push them weekly because there is a fair amount of manual labor involved in validating the numbers. Yes, we should automate this. Yes, it is in our todo-list, but it is not prioritized at the top. Or do you mean something else?

re: JBoss downloads at java.sun.com — not my call; you know my bosses email addresses…

– eduard/o

Also I wonder if Sun would be willing to plug JBoss downloads on the java.sun.com web site – as a long-time supporter of Java – we’d like to benefit from the association with Java as well as Glassfish

- Rich