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	<title>Comments on: On Sun&#8217;s fortunes</title>
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		<title>By: sharps</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwhere.org/archives/287/comment-page-1#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>sharps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marten thanks for the comment. 

The fact that GlassFish (and other OpenSource projects at Sun) are doing very well does not make me mad; proud might be a better word. I was a strong supporter of many of those projects and invested significant time in (for example) the early days of GlassFish. Red Hat actually collaborates with many of those projects and enjoy a good working relationship. many of those projects are good for OSS adoption in general and that&#039;s good for Red Hat too.

No, what makes me mad - and was the point of my post is that the company that supports all of those great projects (MySQL, GlassFish, OpenJDK, OpenSSO, etc.) does not seem to have adequately addressed the fundamental problem - the same problem it faced 8 years ago. That&#039;s what makes me mad and if I was still a stock holder it would make me *really* mad. Sun has to address the fundamental problem or it is going to get really ugly, really fast.

As things stand - software at Sun isn&#039;t a sufficiently large revenue stream and Sun still lacks the ability to actually make money from software (especially Open Source) for software to be considered as the thing that will save Sun.

I just hope the Sun sponsored Open Source projects are insulated against whatever fate awaits Sun.

- Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marten thanks for the comment. </p>
<p>The fact that GlassFish (and other OpenSource projects at Sun) are doing very well does not make me mad; proud might be a better word. I was a strong supporter of many of those projects and invested significant time in (for example) the early days of GlassFish. Red Hat actually collaborates with many of those projects and enjoy a good working relationship. many of those projects are good for OSS adoption in general and that&#8217;s good for Red Hat too.</p>
<p>No, what makes me mad &#8211; and was the point of my post is that the company that supports all of those great projects (MySQL, GlassFish, OpenJDK, OpenSSO, etc.) does not seem to have adequately addressed the fundamental problem &#8211; the same problem it faced 8 years ago. That&#8217;s what makes me mad and if I was still a stock holder it would make me *really* mad. Sun has to address the fundamental problem or it is going to get really ugly, really fast.</p>
<p>As things stand &#8211; software at Sun isn&#8217;t a sufficiently large revenue stream and Sun still lacks the ability to actually make money from software (especially Open Source) for software to be considered as the thing that will save Sun.</p>
<p>I just hope the Sun sponsored Open Source projects are insulated against whatever fate awaits Sun.</p>
<p>- Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Marten Trill</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwhere.org/archives/287/comment-page-1#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>Marten Trill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must really hate the fact that Glassfish is gaining steam - I look at the adoption rates, and JBoss is getting blown away. I understand that makes you mad at Sun, it would make me mad, too. If I hadn&#039;t already moved my apps off JBoss three months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must really hate the fact that Glassfish is gaining steam &#8211; I look at the adoption rates, and JBoss is getting blown away. I understand that makes you mad at Sun, it would make me mad, too. If I hadn&#8217;t already moved my apps off JBoss three months ago.</p>
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